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all of this, all of the material things, all of that, it's just stuff. it has to come from inside and i'm very happy. >> you found peace with yourself? >> yes. been lovely meeting you. >> nice to have met you. thank you. >> and your bones. >> and my bones. interview. what surprised you most about her? >> probably her candor. the most gripping moment for me and the moment that sort sof summed up the whole jackson madness as a family is when she revealed she once tried to call her father dad and he stopped her and said no, it's joseph. and in that moment, you just understood the complete dysfunctionality of the family. but a compelling character and interview and a compelling family. >> certainly was. pers, thanks.
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should a confederate general be honored on a license plate in mississippi? he was a slave trader and the first grand wizard of the klu klux klan. supporters say they're honoring a great general and historical figure. but are they airbrushing very painful american history? both sides of a bitter debate square off tonight. also tonight, if you thought the battle over president obama's birth certificate was over, you haven't been paying attention. new state legislation, tonight a montana lawmaker says fe has no idea if president obama was born in america. trying to keep iran's oppressive rulers honest as they try to crush their uprising at home. we begin with the brutal crackdown in iran and the courage of a protester speaking out. a voice the government of iran wants to silence. a voice belonging to a young woman who is risking her life tonight to get her message out to you. we're calling her sarah. her fellow pro-tess sors have
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been arrested. at least one is dead, shot by iranian government agents, shot by a government that is as brutal as hypocritical. if you what about to see what the iranian government is like, what its parliament is like, take a look at this. they're chanting death to two main opposition leaders in iran. that is the iranian parliament chanting for the death of two iranians, baying for blood. can you imagine american lawmakers doing that, being led in their chants by a religious figure? it's hard to imagine this. in iran, however, this is the reality of the regime. parliament members also signing a statement saying of their opponents "we believe the people have lost their patience and demand capital punishment." as we saw yesterday, plenty of people in iran have lost their patience but they've lost it with the government. they've been taking to the streets in tehran and cities
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across iran and the iranian regime has been cracking down hard. this was a protest yesterday. reports are upwards of 1,000 people have been arrested. the regime is shutting out foreign media. they don't want you to see it, but it's flooding out on youtube. they're cutting off the internet, cell phone service, trying under the cover of media darkness to crush the uprising that only days ago that iranian president ahmadinejad was praising. he said "it's your right to be free and express your will and sovereignty and choose the type of government and the rulers." he was talking about egypt, though. speaking out against the dictatorship there. apparently that's only okay in someone else's dictatorship. today on state television, ahmadinejad didn't even recognize the outcry in his own country is legitimate and homegrown, using almost the same words egypt's rulers used to attack the protesters.
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he blamed the demonstrations on enemies trying to tarnish the iranian nation. >> i find it ironic you have the iranian regime pretending to celebrate what happened in egypt, when in fact they have acted in direct contrast to what happened in egypt by gunning down and beating a people who are trying to express them seflgs peacefully in iran. >> in iran, this is how the regime handles peaceful protests and how it's handling it for years. this is how police reacted to protesters back in december of 2009. these were people marching in memory of another protester, who fell that summer, shot after demonstrating against a stolen
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election. police states doing what police states do, then and now. both then and now, though, even when they're not safe on the streets, people wait until the sun goes down. this was shot last night. listen. [ screaming in foreign language ] >> voices crying out in the night. people shouting it from the roof tops "god is great, death to the dictator. god is great." their voices are being heard and tonight on this program, a young woman adds her voice to the cries in the night. she's a student, we're only calling her sarah because the penalty of what she is about to do could be death. he's in iran and took part in the protests. i spoke to her a short time ago. you went to the demonstrations. what did you see? >> we didn't want to see any violence, so none of us said
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anything against the authority or the government and we started out a rally and we started from one of the main squares, and we moved forward and the guards started to kind of hold us back. >> the revolutionary guards? >> yes. but we kept on moving forward and from some point after that in the square, we could not proceed. we would try, i mean, we tried our best, but we couldn't proceed. >> were you scared to go in the streets yesterday? >> oh, yes. and we didn't know what was coming, so we were scared. but when i saw so many people
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being back like in the old days, that was really exciting. >> at some point, was there violence? >> well, yes. as they did not let us proceed, we had to kind of fight to make our way. but at some point, we couldn't -- i mean, there was too much violence, so we couldn't proceed. >> we've heard reports of police using tear gas, using batons beating demonstrators, did you see any of those? >> oh, yes, that's routine. that's the risk we expected. >> so you saw that, you saw police beating people? >> yes. and i was with someone who got beaten and so i saw it, yes. >> and you know somebody that got killed? >> yes, unfortunately, one of our friends from the university of art, sana jaleh, was killed
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yesterday. and we are -- we had entered a phase of serious -- i mean -- >> what do you want people to know what is happening in iran? >> i can't speak for others,ky speak for myself. i can say that i'm just an ordinary person, and i'm fighting for my rights and we love seeing this freedom friends around the world and i'm so glad my people are always there. >> the government in iran praised the demonstrations in egypt, praised the protestors in egy egypt. but when yo protested in the streets there, they cracked down. what does that tell you? >> well, maybe they're not being honest. that's what i see from my own point of view, my personal point of view, they're not being honest. >> are you scared to talk?
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you're being very brave even talking to us right now. >> yes, i am scared to talk. but i really want to do this. one of our friends was killed, he was like 26, and that would be me. i mean, he was shot randomly and i was trying to go to the square where he was shot, and i just didn't get there. i was stopped by the guards. i mean, i'm kind of identifying with him. >> you feel like that could have been you? >> yes. and he was out then. they're not letting -- it's a persian expression i've translated to english because i don't know how the equivalent. but we are not allowing his blood to go to waste. i mean, my friends knew him personally, and he was one of us. one of the green movement, and that's why i'm doing this.
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i'm doing this for him. >> the iranian government is saying you are agitators, that you are being influenced by foreigners, that is not a real movement for freedom. what are you saying? >> i'm talking for myself. i know my own notions, my own motivations. this is totally self-initiated. i'm just someone ordinary, i went there, i voted for the person i thought was right, and then it came out that, i don't know, i'm not an expert, but that sounded like a fraud. >> sara? we lost connection with her. as we mentioned at the top, iran is tightly controlling media access to the country. we have been monitoring developments and we're joined
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now by islamabad, pakistan. as far as we know, the streets were pretty quite today, right? >> reporter: yeah, we spoke to some people in tehran and they said no sign of protests. they did see hundreds of security forces patrolling the streets. the next time we could see something is wednesday, tomorrow. government news agencies have reported that two passerbys were killed by protestors on monday and one will have a funeral on wednesday. but opposition websites saying they were protesters killed by security forces on monday. and members of the green movement say they might show up to this funeral on wednesday, which sets the stage for another possible face-off tomorrow, anderson. >> you've reported there. we see this video of the parliament baying for the blood of two opposition leaders, chanting, you know, death that they should be put to death. it's kind of a remarkable scene.
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how does the state crack down on the protestors? we've seen what looked like secret police or guys with batons. who are they? >> reporter: these are members of the besieged -- all of these security forces led by iran's revolutionary guard. one of the most glaring differences between what we saw in egypt and what we're seeing in iran over the past couple of years is the crackdown by the government. i don't think it even compares. you look at egypt, you have the military, you essentially stay on the sidelines and watch and the state security apparatus, the police in egypt was either outwhited or overwhelmed by the opposition movement. then you go to iran, the crackdown led by the revolutionary guard. the economy, its natural resources, politics, government. so when it's fighting the opposition movement, it's fighting for its hold on power.
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and i think that explains why the crackdowns in iran are much more brutal, much more repressive. >> and the video we were just looking at, that was posted on youtube and shows the crowd turning on what they believe is one of these secret police members, kind of pro-government militia members and you see the crowd beating that person. i mean, this is really round two for the green movement protests that they had in 2009, isn't it? >> reporter: it is, because they exploded onto the scene two years ago after the disputed presidential elections. but you have to talk about the impact of the egyptian uprising on the iranian opposition movement. and i think these are two movements that right now are feeding off one another. if you talk to supporters of egypt's uprising, they are well aware of what iran's opposition movement accomplished in 2009. if you look at a video of wael
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ghonim, look at his left wrist and he often times wears a green wrist band, the trademark color of iran's opposition movement. and if you talk to supporters, they're aware of what egypt accomplished. a lot of people in the opposition movement are saying this should have been us, this could have been us, and it's played a big role in motivating them to come back to the streets of tehran. >> appreciate it tonight from pakistan. there's some disturbing news about lara logan of cbs news. cbs said today that she was attacked in cairo on friday after mubarak stepped down. she was there for a "60 minutes" story with her crew. here's part of what cbs said today. in the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew, surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 egyptian soldiers. she reconnected with the cbs team, returned to her hotel and
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returned to the united states the next morning. she's currently in the hospital recovering." they request privacy at this time. lara logan is in our thoughts and prayers tonight. as always, let us know what you think. the live chat sup and running. up next tonight, a lawmaker who says his legislation has nothing to do with president obama. he just wants presidential candidates to prove they were born here. we'll ask him why the proof of president obama's citizenship, however, isn't proof enough for him. keeping them honest. a leader of the kkk, and a brutal slave trader. why does one southern group want to celebrate him on a license plate? should he be honored? a sharp debate tonight. first, let's check in with isha sesay. new developments to tell you about in the trial of michael jackson's physician, conrad murray. when we come back, i'll explain why the judge has to decide whether there's conflict of
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well, halfway into the obama administration, the birther movement will not go away, nor
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will the push for legislation inspired by it. we're keeping them honest in this segment. some quick background. a significant number of americans believe that president obama was not born in this country and some aren't doing too much to dissuade them. >> it's not my job to tell the american people what to think. our job in washington is to listen to the american people. having said that, the state of hawaii has said that he was born there. that's good enough for me. the president says he's a christian. i accept him at his word. >> house speaker john boehner over the weekend on "meet the press." both he and eric cantor refusing to take on birthers in their own party. 11 states weighing bills that require presidential candidate to present proof of citizenship to get on the ballot in that state. in montana, bob wagonner is pushing a bill. he says it's not about president obama but he says if he doesn't
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know if president obama is a citizen or not. 27% of americans say the president definitely war probably was not born in the country. other polling pushed the numbers higher. i just want to show you some facts, however. here's the president's official certificate of live birth from the state of hawaii. it's what they send you when you ask for a birth certificate. it's got the signature stamp and raised seal. the republican governor, when the contro virsy erupted said "it's been established he was born here." she said she had her health director view the original copy in the records. here's the birth announcement ran in the newspapers, there you see it. today, a reporter for one saying the papers back then would get their birth information from the state health department. in a moment, jeffrey toobin will talk about the constitutional facts, the supporters appear to
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be getting wrong in his opinion. but first, my conversation with bob wagonner. do you believe that president obama is a citizen of the united states? >> well, i don't really -- i'm not really qualified to say whether i believe he is or not. it's irrelevant to me. >> what do you mean you're not qualified to say whether he is or not? >> there's been no proof offered, and as far as belief, it doesn't matter what i believe. >> how can you say there's no proof offered. there's the certificate of live birth shown by his campaign in 2008 which has the seal of -- the raised seal of the state, it's signed off on, you know, there's plenty of evidence that he is. how can you say that there's not? >> well, a certificate of live birth is different than a birth certificate and that's what intended by the documentation process. >> but a certificate of live birth is good enough to get a
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passport. it's what citizens of hawaii can use to identify themselves. >> if it's good enough for the u.s. passport office, that's one thing. but i'm more concerned about good enough for the state of montana. >> have you -- no one has ever asked any other presidential candidate in montana to do this. i mean, where was george bush born? >> that's exactly the problem here. you know, we shouldn't be discussing this after the fact. this is a process that we will look to mandate in the state of montana and what the rest of the states do and what the federal government does in regards to it is their business. but here in the state of montana, we're required to keep our election process pure and that's what we will seek to do in this bill. >> are you saying it's not pure at this point? >> well, it's certainly under scrutiny. >> what does that mean? >> it certainly is under
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scrutiny. any time you go 200 something odd years and you think that there's a process in place at the federal level to determine the accuracy of any commander in chiefs or president running for the purpose of office and then they say no, that it's not, it's up to the 50 states. i guess it's back in our court and we'll take care of it. >> but, again, you know, all candidates release information and this candidate, as a candidate, the campaign of barack obama released the certificate of live birth, which is a valid form of identification. >> well, that's your opinion, sir. >> it's not my opinion, it's the federal government's opinion, it's the passport office's opinion. it is a valid form of identification. >> sir, i won't argue with you. but we'll set our criteria here in montana according to how we understand the validation to be. >> you were saying that based on the definition of what you
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believe a natural born citizen is, are you saying a natural -- that president obama is not a natural born citizen? >> a natural born citizen, according to the law of nations and the law of nations and the study of natural law in accordance with a book written, which we believe to be the standard for natural born citizenship, requires that you have two parents of -- of citizenship born in the united states to be the son or the daughter of a -- two parents born of citizenship in the united states. >> that's not what is in the 14th amendment. >> well, sir, maybe you could do better at it. >> i don't know what that means. >> well, i don't know what you mean. >> well, under u.s. law, anyone born in the united states, regardless of what their parents are, is considered a natural
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born citizen. >> i don't believe that to be so. >> but you do acknowledge that your interpretation of what a natural born citizen is, who is qualified to run for president is different than what is accepted for quite some time? >> if you wish to accept it, that's clearly up to others, you know, in the state of montana, we wish to do what we think is right. so in accordance with the constitution. >> well, i appreciate you coming on and explaining yourself. representative bob wagonner, thank you very much. >> sure. >> you heard him allude to the 14th amendment and the standard it sets for who is considered a naturalized born american citizen. until recently that wasn't in question. but both are aparnlgtly now topics and both cases can get lost. that's why after i talked to him, i sat down with senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. it's amazing this debate
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continues despite the evidence out there? >> this reminds me of the great senator moynihan quote. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts. barack obama walls born in hawaii, in the united states. this is not up for debate but this keeps coming up. >> can a state say we have our own requirements for who should be president and we get to make laws based on it? >> states can say, you need 500 signatures to get on the ballot. they can make ballot access rules and they all do. but they cannot impose requirements that are different from the united states constitution. so what montana thinks about who was born in the united states is not going to be binding on the electoral college when it meets. so in addition to being a ridiculous idea, it's also
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unconstitutional. >> you have no doubt that the court would rule that way? >> imagine the scenario. barack obama gets more votes than whoever the republican nominee is in montana, and somehow they're not going to let him on the ballot? they're not going to let him on the ballot? it just doesn't seem possible. >> he also talked about the definition of a natural born citizen and talked about -- i can't remember, the philosopher vatel and sort of common understandings. that's not what a natural born citizen is, no matter what vatel said, that's not what america considers a natural born citizen. >> vatel is in vogue on the birther websites. what it means is born in the united states. what vatel said was natural born citizens means you were born in the united states and your parents are also born in the united states. and obviously obama's father was
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not born in the united states. the only problem is that six other presidents had parents who were not born in the united states, including herbert hoover and woodrow wilson. so the idea there is some new requirement that your parents have to be born in the united states is as ridiculous as all the other arguments. >> jeff toobin, thanks. still ahead, a fascinating story. a confederacy group in mississippi is launching a campaign to honor this man, he was a klu klux klan man and a brilliant general in the civil war who oversaw the slaughter of hundreds of black union troops and a slave trader. should he get a lie sense plate? plus, the doctor charged in the death of michael jackson. details ahead. [ female announcer ] enjoy a complete seafood dinner for two
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in mississippi tonight, civil rights groups and many others are deeply offended by a move to honor a leader of the kkk on a commemorative license plate. but first, isha sesay has the "360" bulletin. anderson, a california judge has delayed a decision on allowing a new lawyer to join dr. conrad murray's defense team. the lawyer worked on michael jackson's child molestation defense. the judge will determine if that poses a conflict of interest. murray, jackson's former physician, a facing a charge of
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involuntary manslaughter. former president george h.w. bush was among 15 people at the white house. the military has seized a submarine capable of transporting more than seven tons of cocaine. it measures more than 100 feet long and being called the most sophisticated tool ever found to traffic drugs from colombia. and anderson, listen up, the british paper "the independent" is reporting evidence that it is mounting that either a brown dwarf style or a gas giant planet is lurking at the outer regions of our solar system, and it's 15,000 times farther from the sun than earth. and i know you got a touch of the science geek about you. >> i wish i had remembered my
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astronomy classes. i wish i had been smarter in science. >> we could be looking at a new planet. you know, pluto was demoted. >> not familiar. i vaguely recall that. i should know that. >> you should know that. >> i'm glad you know that. thank goodness you are here. >> i say that every night. >> now i'm going to transition to "the shot" tonight from california. it's a cat with sticky paws. dusty the cat burglar by day, ordinary house cat at light. he has a thing for bathing suits. his record haul is 11 items in a single night. >> this is a classy cat. >> really? >> that was unnecessary. >> dusty the klepto cat.
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>> more with isha in a moment. coming up, a controversial plan to honor a general who was a member of the klu klux klan. the sons of confederate veterans is trying to get a license plate to honor him. >> what we're trying to ask is this -- >> what you have to do is listen. if you listened then perhaps you can understand. >> later, you remember amanda knox, the american woman convicted of murdering her roommate? italy? now her parents are facing charges in italy. that's ahead. hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices?
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controversy is brewing in mississippi. the sons of confederate veterans can campaigning to put general nathan bedford forest on a commemorative license plate. most historians agree he was in the kkk. we talked with an expert who said not only was forest the first grand wizard of the kkk, he was also known for bull whipping slaves when he was a slave trader. there's also controversy whether he condoned the massacre of hundreds of black union army members during the 1864 raid at ft. pillow. they say forest has been
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mischaracterized. the president of mississippi's naacp says it sends the wrong message. and the group can calling the governor to denounce the idea. the governor spoke on camera just today. but first, i spoke with greg stewart who is behind the effort to honor forest. mr. stewart, general forest was a slave trader, he personally oversaw the bull whipping of slaves, without a doubt a brilliant confederate officer but he oversaw the slaughter of hundreds of black troops and a grand wizard of the kkk. why do you want to put him on a license plate? >> well, what you've just alleged is not necessarily true. a lot of that has been in dispute for a long time.
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i guess i should address the slaughter of troops first. that was the ft. pillow massacre, and there was a trial, and he was in fact -- sherman was the presiding officer and he was absolved of that. >> he might have been absolved by sherman, but sherman knew a thing or two about tough tactics. there are historical accounts, one soldier was quoted as saying that he was -- that they were ordered to shoot down people like dogs. >> well, i don't know. i wasn't there. but there was a trial, there was a hearing, everybody was heard and i guess that particular testimony wasn't given much weight. as far as the charge that he was a member of the klan, the last person that had any authority on it was shelby foot and he fold us he was not. and the record shows that general forest himself said that he wasn't a member of the klan. then later in his life, he gave a famous speech in memphis,
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which can be found on the internet if anybody wants to google that, and he made it plain he had great love for all of his fellow citizens there in memphis. >> so he wasn't a slave trader who oversaw the bull whipping of slaves? >> i don't know. i mean, the bull whipping part is something that you added. >> that's in a biography about him that's been written. >> okay. i haven't read that. but yes, while he was a u.s. citizen under the u.s. flag, he was engaged in the slave trade. >> professor, what about mr. stewart's argument that people basically -- he's saying people have their facts wrong about general forest, he wasn't a bad guy after all. >> i was challenge mr. stewart on this. one of the things we do know is that the trial was difficult because many of the ranking officers were actually -- some of the ranks officers on the union side were in fact killed. what we do know is that it's pretty much established that what happened at ft. pillow, at
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least among scholars of the civil wars, james mcpherson and others, that what happened at ft. pillow was in fact a massacre. and by any modern standards, general forest would be a war criminal. so part of what we have to ask our severals is what is being affirmed here? he was in fact a slave trader. he was in fact, just as mr. stewart will appeal to the internet as a source, and we know how questionable that can be, on that same internet, we have documentation of him being the first grand wizard of the kkk. and so i want to challenge him not only on the facts but challenge him on the basis of his moral character, what is he trying to suggest to america by putting in effect a war criminal on the license plate of people in mississippi? >> my dad is from mississippi, so i don't want you to think i'm just some northerner who is upset about this. i love the state, as well.
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and i have relatives who fought on both sides of the civil war, as most americans probably did. mr. stewart, what about that? if you were an african-american resident of mississippi, what kind of message are you supposed to get from this license plate with this man, by most historical accounts was a grand wizard of the kkk? >> right. we've talked about that. there's a division, but the authorities that i'm citing and unless he wants to argue with shelby foote's authority. >> shelby foote is dead, but there's a lot of historians are saying he was a grand wizard of the kkk. we talked to the southern law center and said he was a grand wizard and he's done extensive research on this. what message does this send to an african-american citizen in mississippi? >> oh, well, i mean, i'm sorry that he's offended. that was not the intent. >> there is a way which we can
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begin to mark our history and our past. that history and that past includes the enslavement of african-americans, it includes the fact that we were denied citizenship rights. even when general forest might have denounced his relation to the kkk, by that point jim and jane crow had sedimented into common sense in the south. >> is this a question or a lecture? >> what you have to do is listen. >> get to your question. >> sir, mr. stewart, you dragged on for a long time, too. mr. claude, i'm allowing him the same courtesy. >> i just want him to ask a question. >> my point is this. when we put forward people who defended the institution of slavery, people who participated in the degradation of a large percentage of the american citizenry, as heroes, as representatives of something, we're affirming a dimension of
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our past, which says that we haven't, shall we say, moved forward. and then more importantly, let me say this secondly, more importantly, we're playing steadfast and loose with the pain and suffering of a particular people, a particular population of the united states. you, mr. stewart, may not be, shall we say, moved by the fact that union black soldiers, former runaway slaves fought and were massacred by the troops of forest, but i am. >> sorry, you're insulted by it. but you don't have to buy the tag. it looks to me that nathan bedford forest was a military genius. he kept -- >> i would grant that. >> thank you. and he kept the people of north mississippi safe, safe as he could, for as long as he could. >> the white people. >> and then -- >> he kept the white people in north mississippi safe you're saying? >> no, i don't think so. i think he was looking out for everybody. looking out for his country. >> that's not what the dead
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union soldiers would say. >> in his last years he made significant efforts toward reconciliation. if anything, if christian redemption mean anything to any of us, why can't we extend it to this man? >> i think what's important here, brother anderson, is if we continue to move on this path of e revision, we doom ourselves to a future that isn't right. >> thank you both. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, mr. cooper. governor haley barbour has been silent until today. he was pressed by reporters why he hasn't denounced the idea. the governor says he doesn't "go around denouncing people" but said that the proposed license plate would never pass the state legislature any way. >> nathan bedford forest tag is not going to happen. isn't that what you asked me?
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charlie sheen to tonight's "ridicu-list." we'll explain in a moment. but first, isha has a "360" news and business bulletin. in italy, the parents of amanda knox are facing charges of libelling the police. they told a british newspaper that knox was physically andmentally abused by police after being arrested. the indictment says the claims were contear to the truth. a judge ordered the country's prime minister to stand trial on charges of paying a 17-year-old nightclub dancer for sex. he is also charged with abuse of power. he denies the charges. the trial begins in april. bernie madoff tells "the new york times" from prison many banks and hedge punlds had to have known about his scheme. madoff tells the "times" he never thought the scheme would cause so much destruction to his
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family and maintains his family knew nothing of his crimes. a major merger in the mix. they have agreed to join forces in a $10 billion deal. the merger needs approval from u.s. and european regulators. if approved, it would create the world's largest exchange for stocks and derivatives. a north carolina couple claims their $1 million mega millions lottery prize the day before it expires. cutting it kind of close if you ask me. they omitted for a lump sum of $680,000 after taxes. the couple had the winning ticket for almost six months, in a bible and work locker before they were ready to cash it in. >> i don't think i could hide it for six months. i would be afraid of losing it. >> if i win the lottery, i'm going m.i.a. for a couple of days. butly come back to you. >> all right, yeah.
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time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, i'm sorry, but we have to add charlie sheen. i know you're thinking this is going to be about hookers and porn stars and hostage situations playing out in hotel rooms. that's not why we're adding sheen to the "ridicu-list" tonight. charlie sheen is on the "ridicu-list" because of his new gig as a motivational speaker. that's right, charlie sheen gave a pep talk to the ucla bruins baseball team. i know, was tony robins not available? of all the people you want counseling your college age kids at their most vur nellable time, i'm not sure charlie sheen would be even at the bottom of your list. he was there, so he was asked to give the boys a pep talk. on the dan patrick radio show, he talked about the wisdom he imparted to the team. listen and learn, folks, listen and learn. >> i said, stay away from the crack, which i think is pretty good advice, unless you can
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manage it socially. if you can, go for it. not a lot of people can, you know? >> so wise. stay away from the crack unless you can manage it socially. forgive me for my ignorance, but how does one use crack socially? if i want a celebrity giving me drug advice, i'm not going to go to charlie sheen. i'm going to go to the one and only whitney houston. >> crack is whack. >> whitney is a never ending spring of wisdom. these two should team up and go on a speaking tour of elementary schools. in sheen's defense, he did say that he thought he could manage crack but it blew up in his face like an exploding crack pipe. in the next breath, he says he
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doesn't believe in aa and bored by sobriety. he wants to get back to "two and a half men" since he's quote, peeing clean lately. check it. >> check it, it's like i heal really quickly but i also unravel really quickly. so get me right now, guys. >> is there a morality clause in your contract? >> bla, bla, nitpick, nitpick. i don't think it covers let us interfere with your personal life. >> far be it for me to enter near with anybody's personal life, but i hope he gets his life straighten out. it seems like his work ethic has remained in tact. so here's to charlie sheen staying on the straight and narrow and hope he stays off the "ridicu-list." a lot more ahead at the top of the hour. one protester in iran, courageous enough to speak out. you'll hear from her, ahead. so this is enzo, the artiste behind my wardrobe.
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good evening, everyone. tonight, should a confederate general be honored on a license plate in mississippi? he was a slave trader and the first grand wizard of the klu klux klan. supporters say they're honoring a great general and historical figure. but are they airbrushing very
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very, very painful american history? both sides of a bitter debate square off tonight. also tonight, if you thought the battle over president obama's birth certificate was over, you haven't been paying attention to what's going on in a number of states. new state legislation, tonight a montana lawmaker says he has no idea if president obama was born in america. we're keeping them honest. trying to keep iran's oppressive rulers honest as they push uprisings abroad but try to crush it at home. that's why we begin tonight, with the brutal crackdown in iran and the courage of a protester speaking out. a voice the government of iran wants to silence. a voice belonging to a young woman who is risking her life tonight to get her message out to you. we're calling her sara. her fellow protestors have been arrested. at least one is dead, shot by iranian government agents, shot by a government that is as brutal as hypocritical. if you what about to see what the iranian government is like, what its parliament is like, take a look at this.
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they're chanting death to two main opposition leaders in iran. that looks like an unruly mob, but that is the iranian parliament chanting for the death of two iranians, baying for blood. can you imagine american lawmakers doing that, being led in their chants by a religious figure? no matter what you believe about our congress, it's hard to imagine this. in iran, however, this is the reality of the regime. parliament members also signing a statement saying of their opponents "we believe the people have lost their patience and demand capital punishment." as we saw yesterday, plenty of people in iran have lost their patience but they've lost it with the government. they've been taking to the streets in tehran and cities across iran and the iranian regime has been cracking down hard. this was a protest yesterday. reports are upwards of 1,000 people have been arrested. though hard numbers are impossible to come by because the regime is shutting out foreign media. they don't want you to see it, but it's flooding out on youtube.
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they're cutting off the internet, cell phone service, trying under the cover of media darkness to crush the uprising that only days ago that iranian president ahmadinejad was praising elsewhere. that's right, on friday he said "it's your right to be free and express your will and sovereignty and choose the type of government and the rulers." he was talking about egypt, though. speaking out against the dictatorship there. apparently that's only okay in someone else's dictatorship. today on state television, ahmadinejad didn't even recognize the outcry in his own country is legitimate and homegrown, using almost the same words egypt's rulers used to attack that down there's pro-democracy protesters. he blamed the demonstrations on enemies trying to tarnish the iranian nation's brilliance. the hypocrisy not lost on president obama today. >> i find it ironic you have the iranian regime pretending to celebrate what happened in egypt, when in fact they have
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acted in direct contrast to what happened in egypt by gunning down and beating a people who are trying to express themselves peacefully in iran. >> in iran, this is how the regime handles peaceful protests and how it's handling it for years. take a look. this is how police reacted to protesters back in december of 2009. these were people marching in memory of another protester, who fell that summer, shot after demonstrating peacefully against a stolen election. police states doing what police states do, then and now. both then and now, though, even when they're not safe on the streets, people wait until the sun goes down. this video was shost last night. listen. [ screaming in foreign language ]
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>> voices crying out in the night. people shouting it from the roof tops "god is great, death to the dictator. god is great." their voices are being heard and tonight on this program, a young woman adds her voice to the cries in the night. she's a student, we're only calling her sara because the penalty of what she is about to do could be death. she's this iran and she took part in the protests. i spoke to her a short time ago. you went to the demonstrations. what did you see? >> we didn't want to see any violence, so none of us said anything against the authority or the government and we started out a rally and we started from one of the main squares, and we moved forward and the guards
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started to kind of hold us back. >> the revolutionary guards? >> yes. but we kept on moving forward and from some point after that in the square, we could not proceed. we would try, i mean, we tried our best, but we couldn't proceed. >> were you scared to go in the streets yesterday? >> oh, yes. and we didn't know what was coming, so we were scared. but when i saw so many people being back like in the old days, that was really exciting. >> at some point, was there violence? >> well, yes. as they did not let us proceed, we had to kind of fight to make our way. but at some point, we couldn't -- i mean, there was
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too much violence, so we couldn't proceed. >> we've heard reports of police using tear gas, using batons to beat demonstrators, making arrests. did you see any of that? >> oh, yes, that's routine. that's the risk we expected. >> so you saw that, you saw police beating people? >> yes. and i was with someone who got beaten and so i saw it, yes. >> and you know somebody that got killed? >> yes, unfortunately, one of our friends from the university of art, sana jaleh, was killed yesterday. and we are -- we had entered a phase of serious, strict mourning. >> what do you want people to know what is happening in iran? >> i can't speak for others, i can speak for myself. i can say that i'm just an
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ordinary person, and i'm fighting for my rights and we love seeing this freedom friends around the world and i'm so glad my people are always there. >> the government in iran praised the demonstrations in egypt, praised the protestors in egypt. but when you protested in the streets there, they cracked down. what does that tell you? >> well, maybe they're not being honest. that's what i see from my own point of view, my personal point of view, they're not being honest. >> are you scared to talk? you're being very brave even talking to us right now. >> yes, i am scared to talk. but i really want to do this. one of our friends was killed, he was like 26, and that would be me.
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i mean, he was shot randomly and i was trying to go to the square where he was shot, and i just didn't get there. i was stopped by the guards. i mean, i'm kind of identifying with him. >> you feel like that could have been you? >> yes. and he was out then. they're not letting -- it's a persian expression i've translated to english because i don't know how the equivalent. but we are not allowing his blood to go to waste. i mean, my friends knew him personally, and he was one of us. one of the green movement, and that's why i'm doing this. i'm doing this for him. >> the iranian government is saying you are agitators, that you are being influenced by foreigners, that is not a real movement for freedom. what are you saying? >> i'm talking for myself. i know my own notions, my own motivations.
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this is totally self-initiated. i'm just someone ordinary, i went there, i voted for the person i thought was right, and then it came out that, i don't know, i'm not an expert, but that sounded like a fraud. because everybody -- >> sara? we lost connection with her. as we mentioned at the top, iran is tightly controlling media access to the country. we have been monitoring developments and we're joined now from islamabad, pakistan. as far as we know, the streets were pretty quite today, right? >> reporter: yeah, we spoke to some people in tehran and they said no sign of protests. they did see hundreds of security forces patrolling the streets.
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the next time we could see something is wednesday, tomorrow. government news agencies have reported that two passersby were killed by protestors on monday and one will have a funeral on wednesday. but opposition websites saying they weren't passersby, but protesters killed by security forces on monday. and members of the green movement say they might show up to this funeral on wednesday, which sets the stage for another possible face-off tomorrow, anderson. >> you've reported there. we see this video of the parliament baying for the blood of two opposition leaders, chanting, you know, death that they should be put to death. it's kind of a remarkable scene. when you're reporting there, how does the state crack down on the protestors? we've seen what looked like secret police or guys with batons. who are they? >> reporter: these are members of the besieged -- all of these
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security forces led by iran's revolutionary guard. i've got to say, one of the most glaring differences between what we saw in egypt and what we're seeing in iran over the past couple of years is the crackdown by the government. i don't think it even compares. you look at egypt, you have the military, you essentially stay on the sidelines and watch and the state security apparatus, the police in egypt was either outwitted or overwhelmed by the opposition movement. then you go to iran, the crackdown led by the revolutionary guard. this is a security force that has stakes and influences in all facets of iranian life. the economy, its natural resources, politics, government. so when it's fighting the opposition movement, it's fighting for its hold on power. and i think that explains why the crackdowns in iran are much more brutal, much more repressive. >> and the video we were just looking at, that was posted on youtube and shows the crowd turning on what they believe is one of these secret police members, kind of pro-government
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militia members and you see the crowd beating that person. i mean, this is really round two for the green movement protests that they had in 2009, isn't it? >> reporter: it is, because they exploded onto the scene two years ago after the disputed presidential elections. but you have to talk about the impact of the egyptian uprising on the iranian opposition movement. and i think these are two movements that right now are feeding off one another. if you talk to supporters of egypt's uprising, they are well aware of what iran's opposition movement accomplished in 2009. if you look at a video of wael ghonim, the poster boy of the egyptian uprising, the activist, look at his left wrist. and he often times wears a green wrist band, the trademark color of iran's opposition movement. and if you talk to supporters, they're well aware of what egypt
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accomplished. a lot of people in the opposition movement are saying this should have been us, this could have been us, and it's played a big role in motivating them to come back to the streets of tehran. >> we continue to watch it. appreciate it tonight from pakistan. there's some disturbing news about lara logan of cbs news. you probably heard this. cbs said today that she was attacked in cairo on friday after mubarak stepped down. she was there for a "60 minutes" story with her crew. and here's part of what cbs said today. in the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew, surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 egyptian soldiers. she reconnected with the cbs team, returned to her hotel and returned to the united states on the first flight the next morning. she's currently in the hospital recovering." there will be no further comment from cbs news and they request privacy at this time. lara logan is in our thoughts and prayers tonight. as always, let us know what you think.
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well, halfway into the obama administration, the birther movement will not go away, nor will the push for legislation inspired by it. even though many of the people behind it deny it has anything to do with president obama. we're keeping them honest in this segment. some quick background. a significant number of americans still believe that president obama was not born in this country and some politicians aren't doing too much to dissuade them. >> it's not my job to tell the american people what to think. our job in washington is to listen to the american people. having said that, the state of hawaii has said that he was born there. that's good enough for me. the president says he's a christian. i accept him at his word. >> house speaker john boehner over the weekend on "meet the press."
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both he and eric cantor refusing to take on birthers in their own party. 11 states weighing bills that in some form or another require presidential candidate to present proof of citizenship in a state to get on the ballot in that state. in montana, state representative bob wagonner is pushing a bill that would require the candidate to produce a copy of a birth certificate. he says it's not about president obama but he says he doesn't know if president obama is a citizen or not. 27% of americans say the president definitely or probably was not born in the country. other polling pushed the numbers higher. i want to show you some facts. here's the president's official certificate of live birth from the state of hawaii. it's what they send you when you ask for a birth certificate. it's value it at the passport office as a form of identification. it's got the signature stamp and raised seal.
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hawaii's republican governor said "it's been established he was born here." she said she had her health director view the original copy in the records. here's the birth announcement ran in the newspapers, there you see it. today, a reporter for one saying the papers back then would get their birth information from the state health department. so those are the facts. in a moment, jeffrey toobin will talk about the constitutional facts, the supporters appear to be getting wrong in his opinion. but first, my conversation with montana state lawmaker bob wagonner. do you believe that president obama is a citizen of the united states? >> well, i don't really -- i'm not really qualified to say whether i believe he is or not. it's irrelevant to me. >> what do you mean you're not qualified to say whether he is or not? >> there's been no proof offered, and as far as belief, it doesn't matter what i believe. >> how can you say there's no proof offered? there's the certificate of live
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birth shown by his campaign in 2008 which has the seal of -- the raised seal of the state, it's signed off on, you know, there's plenty of evidence that he is. how can you say that there's not? >> well, a certificate of live birth is different than a long form birth certificate. and that's what intended by the documentation process. >> but a certificate of live birth is good enough to get a passport. it's what citizens of hawaii can use to identify themselves. >> if it's good enough for the u.s. passport office, that's one thing. but i'm more concerned about good enough for the state of montana. >> have you -- no one has ever asked any other presidential candidate in montana to do this. i mean, where was george bush born? >> that's exactly the problem here. you know, we shouldn't be discussing this after the fact. this is a process that we will look to mandate in the state of
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montana and what the rest of the states do and what the federal government does in regards to it is their business. but here in the state of montana, we're required to keep our election process pure and that's what we will seek to do with this bill. >> are you saying it's not pure at this point? >> well, it's certainly under scrutiny. >> what does that mean? >> it certainly is under scrutiny. any time you go 200 something odd years and you think that there's a process in place at the federal level to determine the accuracy of any commander in chiefs or president running for the purpose of office and then they say no, that it's not, it's up to the 50 states. i guess it's back in our court and we'll take care of it. >> but, again, you know, all candidates release information and this candidate, as a candidate, the campaign of barack obama released the certificate of live birth, which
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is a valid form of identification. >> well, that's your opinion, sir. >> it's not my opinion, it's the federal government's opinion, it's the passport office's opinion. it is a valid form of identification. >> sir, i won't argue with you. but we'll set our criteria here in montana according to how we understand the validation to be. >> you were saying that based on the definition of what you believe a natural born citizen is, are you saying a natural -- that president obama is not a natural born citizen? >> a natural born citizen, according to the law of nations and the law of nations and the study of natural law in accordance with a book written by vatel, which we believe to be the standard for natural born citizenship, requires that you have two parents of -- of citizenship born in the united states to be the son or the
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daughter of a -- two parents born of citizenship in the united states. >> that's not what is in the 14th amendment. >> well, sir, maybe you could do better at it. >> i don't know what that means. >> well, i don't know what you mean. >> well, under u.s. law, anyone born in the united states, regardless of what their parents are, is considered a natural born citizen. >> i don't believe that to be so. >> but you do acknowledge that your interpretation of what a natural born citizen is, who is qualified to run for president is different than what is accepted for quite some time? >> if you wish to accept it, that's clearly up to others, you know, in the state of montana, we wish to do what we think is right. so in accordance with the constitution. >> well, i appreciate you coming on and explaining yourself. representative bob wagonner, thank you very much.
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>> sure. >> you heard him allude to the 14th amendment and the standard it sets for who is considered a naturalized born american citizen. until recently that wasn't in question. nor was a candidate's citizenship. but both are apparently now topics and both cases can get lost. that's why after i talked to him, i sat down with senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. it's amazing this debate continues despite the evidence out there. >> this reminds me of the great senator moynihan quote. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts. barack obama was born in hawaii, in the united states. this is not up for debate but this issue persists and it keeps coming up. >> can a state say we have our own requirements for who should be president and we get to make laws based on it? is that constitutional? >> states can say, you need 500 signatures to get on the ballot. they can make ballot access rules and they all do. but they cannot impose
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requirements that are different from the united states constitution. so what montana thinks about who was born in the united states is not going to be binding on the electoral college when it meets. so in addition to being a ridiculous idea, it's also unconstitutional. >> there's other laws in other states that are trying along these same kind of birther ideas, birther legislation, are they also unconstitutional? >> totally. >> you have no doubt that the court would rule that way? >> imagine the scenario. barack obama gets more votes than whoever the republican nominee is in montana, and somehow they're not going to let him on the ballot? they're not going to let him on the ballot? it just doesn't seem possible. >> he also talked about the definition of a natural born citizen and talked about -- i can't remember, the philosopher vatel and sort of common understandings. that's not what a natural born
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citizen is, no matter what vatel said, that's not what america considers a natural born citizen. >> vatel is in vogue on the birther websites. the words of the constitution have been interpreted many times by the supreme court. what it means is born in the united states. what vatel said was natural born citizens means you were born in the united states and your parents are also born in the united states. and obviously obama's father was not born in the united states. the only problem is that six other presidents had parents who were not born in the united states, including herbert hoover and woodrow wilson. so the idea there is some new requirement that your parents have to be born in the united states is as ridiculous as all the other arguments. >> jeff toobin, thanks. still ahead, a fascinating story. a confederacy group in mississippi is launching a campaign to honor this man, he was a klu klux klan leader with a commemorative license plate,
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and a brilliant general in the civil war who oversaw the slaughter of hundreds of black union troops and a slave trader. should he get a license plate? still ahead, a company where sales are booming and the employees seem happy. after all, they get free ice cream and massages. what's not to like. could other companies learn from this success story? ahead. we're breaking out. let's go. hmm? i'll get the dodo. - ( all yelling ) - scandalous. - ( alarm blaring ) - warden, two boys going for a stroll. - release the hounds. - ( dogs panting ) ( dramatic music playing ) oh my spleen! - now what? it didn't work! - hit 'em with the kenny g. ( saxophone music playing ) - oh, i love this song. - focus! ( dramatic music playing ) lancaster, no! it's a trap! nonsense. my father owned one. ( engine revs )
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president obama's consulting with some of the nation's top high tech firms following up on his state of the union call to create jobs.
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he almost night want to look at a nevada company that sells shoes. it's rewriting the book on internet business. tom foreman has our building up america report. >> reporter: 24-7, two by two, zappos.com is moving shoes. more than a billion annually in internet sales, fueled by a wide selection, free shipping and money back guarantied. not bad for a company started a dozen years ago with a radical concept. success is about service. >> okay, no problem. >> reporter: not selling. >> for us, culture isn't just important but it's the number one priority of the company. >> reporter: the culture is raw kus, infectious and everywhere. employees decorate as they choose, enjoifing an unbelievable array of company services, including free lunch, ice cream, massages. we asked our guy about the business environment. >> this is a business meeting. >> there's a lot of giggling
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going on in there. >> there is. >> reporter: getting in is not easy. it takes months to screen applicants and new hires are offered $4,000 to quit, just to weed out those who might not really want to be here. >> so we figure we can rain most people to do their jobs, but we can't train somebody to fit into our culture. >> reporter: what is your key philosophy about run thing business? >> internally, we are a service company that just happens to sell shoes. >> reporter: you realize nobody in america who sees this is going to want to go to work tomorrow? so they can laugh at comments like that, because everyone here seems eager to come to work every day. building up this runaway success. tom foreman, cnn, henderson, nevada. coming up, conro versy over a plan in mississippi to honor a brilliant general who was a grand wizard of the kkk and bull whipped slaves. the sons of the confederate
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contro verse kri is brewing in mississippi over plans to make a specialty license place. the sons of confederate generals, there's some debate, but most agree he was in the kkk. we talked to an expert who said not only was he the first grand wizard of the kkk, he was known for bull whipping slaves.
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there's also controversy whether he condoned the massacre of hundreds of black union army members during the 1864 raid at ft. pillow. they say forest has been mischaracterized. the president of mississippi's naacp says it sends the wrong message to honor anyone who promoted racial hey dread and the group called on the governor to denounce the idea. the governor spoke on camera just today. we'll show you what he said in just a moment. but first, i spoke with greg stewart who is behind the effort to honor forest. mr. stewart, general forest was a slave trader prior to the civil war, according to some accounts, he oversaw the bull whipping of slaves, without a doubt a brilliant confederate officer but he oversaw the slaughter of hundreds of black troops and a grand wizard of the kkk, the first grand wizard, the first national leader. why do you want to put him on a license plate? >> well, what you've just
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alleged is not necessarily true. a lot of that has been in dispute for a long time. i guess i should address the slaughter of troops first. that was the ft. pillow massacre, and there was a trial, and he was in fact -- sherman was the presiding officer and he was absolved of that. >> he might have been absolved by sherman, but sherman knew a thing or two about tough tactics. there are historical accounts, one confederate soldier was quoted as saying that he was -- that they were ordered to shoot down people like dogs. >> well, i don't know. i wasn't there. but there was a trial, there was a hearing, everybody was heard and i guess that particular testimony wasn't given much weight. as far as the charge that he was a member of the klan, the last person that had any authority on it was shelby foote and he told us he was not. and the record shows that general forest himself said that he wasn't a member of the klan.
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then later in his life, he gave a famous speech in memphis, which can be found on the internet if anybody wants to google that, and he made it plain he had great love for all of his fellow citizens there in memphis. >> so he wasn't a slave trader who oversaw the bull whipping of slaves? >> i don't know. i mean, the bull whipping part is something that you added. >> that's in a biography about him that's been written. >> okay. i haven't read that. but yes, while he was a u.s. citizen under the u.s. flag, he was engaged in the slave trade. >> professor, what about mr. stewart's argument that people basically -- he's saying people have their facts wrong about general forest, he wasn't a bad guy after all. >> well, i would challenge mr. stewart on this. one of the things we do know is that the trial was difficult because many of the ranking officers were actually -- some
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of the ranking officers on the union side were in fact killed. what we do know is that it's pretty much established that what happened at ft. pillow, at least among scholars of the civil wars, james mcpherson and others, that what happened at ft. pillow was in fact a massacre. and by any modern standards, brother anderson, general forest would be a war criminal. so part of what we have to ask ourselves is what is being affirmed here? he was in fact a slave trader. he was in fact, just as mr. stewart will appeal to the internet as a source, and we know how questionable that can be, on that same internet, we have documentation of him being the first grand wizard of the kkk. and so i want to challenge him not only on the facts but challenge him on the basis of his moral character, what is he trying to suggest to america by putting in effect a war criminal on the license plate of people in mississippi? and i'm from mississippi. i hope my mother and father, who are still there, wouldn't do that. i know i wouldn't. >> my dad is from mississippi, so i don't want you to think i'm just some northerner who is
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upset about this. i've got a stake in this, as well. i love the state, as well. and i have relatives who fought on both sides of the civil war, as most americans probably did. mr. stewart, what about that? if you were an african-american resident of mississippi, what kind of message are you supposed to get from this license plate with this man, by most historical accounts was a grand wizard of the kkk? >> right. we've talked about that. there's a division, but the authorities that i'm citing and unless he wants to argue with shelby foote's authority. said that he is not. >> shelby foote is dead, but there's a lot of historians are saying he was a grand wizard of the kkk. we talked to the southern law center who said it's indisputable he was a grand wizard and he's done extensive research on this. >> i guess we can't agree on that? >> what message does this send to an african-american citizen in mississippi?
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>> oh, well, i mean, i'm sorry that he's offended. that was not the intent. >> there is a way which we can begin to mark our history and our past. that history and that past includes the enslavement of african-americans, it includes the fact that we were denied citizenship rights. it includes the fact that even when general forest might have denounced his relation to the kkk, by that point jim and jane crow had sedimented into common sense in the south. so part of -- >> is this a question or a lecture? >> what we're trying to ask is this -- what you have to do is listen. if you listen, perhaps you can understand -- >> get to your question. >> sir, mr. stewart, you dragged on for a long time, too. i allowed you to speak for a long time. mr. claude, i'm allowing him the same courtesy. so let's allow him the courtesy and then you can add. >> i just want him to ask a question. >> my point is this. when we put forward people who defended the institution of slavery, people who participated in the degradation of a large percentage of the american citizenry, as heroes, as
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representatives of something, we're affirming a dimension of our past, which says that we haven't, shall we say, moved forward. and then more importantly, let me say this secondly, more importantly, we're playing steadfast and loose with the pain and suffering of a particular people, a particular population of the united states. you, mr. stewart, may not be, shall we say, moved by the fact that union black soldiers, former runaway slaves fought and were massacred by the troops of forest, but i am. >> sorry you're insulted by it, but you don't have to buy the tag. it looks to me that nathan bedford forest was a military genius. he kept -- >> i would grant that. >> thank you. and he kept the people of north mississippi safe, safe as he could, for as long as he could. >> the white people. >> and then -- >> he kept the white people in north mississippi safe you're saying? >> no, i don't think so. i think he was looking out for everybody.
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looking out for his country. >> that's not what the dead union soldiers would say. >> in his last years he made significant efforts toward reconciliation. if anything, if christian redemption should mean anything to any of us, and we all want it for ourselves, why can't we extend it to this man? >> i think what's important here, brother anderson, is if we continue to move on this path of revision, we doom ourselves to a future that isn't wright. >> i appreciate the discussion and difference of positions. thank you both. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, mr. cooper. governor haley barbour has been silent until today. interestingly enough. he was pressed by reporters why he hasn't denounced the idea. the governor says he doesn't "go around denouncing people" but said that the proposed license plate would never pass the state legislature any way.
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>> the nathan bedford forest tag is not going to happen. isn't that what you asked me? is that what you asked me? >> yes. >> the answer is it's not going to happen. lighter stuff coming up. a close call, a lucky couple cashes in one day away from missing out on a million-dollar jackpot. can you imagine if they missed that? and even some sillier stuff to make you smile at the end of the night. what has charlie sheen done to end up on our "ridicu-list"? not what you might expect. we'll explain ahead. uncomfortab. i just want to rip 'em out, throw 'em away and never see them again. [ male announcer ] know the feeling? get the contacts you've got to see to believe. acuvue® oasys brand contact lenses. feel how hydraclear® plus keeps your eyes exceptionally comfortable all day long. it feels like it disappeared on my eye. [ male announcer ] discover why it's the #1 doctor-prescribed contact lens in the u.s. and if you're not 100 percent satisfied, you get your money back. guaranteed. are they on? 'cause they don't feel like they are. [ male announcer ] acuvue® oasys brand. see what could be.
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basic. preferred. at meineke i have options on oil changes. and now i get free roadside assistance with preferred or supreme. my money. my choice. my meineke. coming up, we're adding charlie sheen to tonight's "ridicu-list." the way we see it, his motivational speech went too far. we'll explain in a moment. but first, isha has a "360" news and business bulletin. in italy, the parents of kwon vikted killer amanda knox are facing charges of libelling the police. the couple told a british newspaper that knox was physically and mentally abused by police after her arrest for killing her roommate. the indictment says the claims were contrary to the truth. also in italy, a judge ordered the country's prime minister to stand trial on charges of paying a 17-year-old nightclub dancer for sex. he is also charged with abuse of
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power. he denies the charges. the trial begins in april. bernie madoff tells "the new york times" from prison many banks and hedge funds had to have known about his ponzi scheme. according to the paper madoff tells the "times" he never thought the scheme would cause so much destruction to his family and maintains his family knew nothing of his crimes. a major merger in the works. the parent company of the new york stock exchange have agreed to join forces in a $10 billion deal. the merger needs approval from u.s. and european regulators. if approved, it would create the world's largest exchange for stocks and derivatives. a north carolina couple claims their $1 million mega millions lottery prize the day before it expires. cutting it kind of close if you ask me.
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they opted for a lump sum of $680,000 after taxes. the couple hid the winning ticket for almost six months, in a bible and work locker before they were ready to cash it in. >> i don't think i could hide it for six months. i would be afraid of losing it. >> let many just say, if i win the lottery, i'm going m.i.a. for a couple of days. but i will come back to you. >> all right, yeah. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, i'm sorry, but we have to add charlie sheen. i know you're thinking this is going to be about hookers and porn stars and binge hostage situations playing out in fancy vegas hotel rooms. that's not why we're adding sheen to the "ridicu-list" tonight. no, not at all. charlie sheen is on the "ridicu-list" because of his new gig as a motivational speaker. that's right, charlie sheen gave a pep talk to the ucla bruins baseball team. i know, was tony robbins not available? of all the people you want counseling your college age kids at their most vulnerable time, i'm not sure charlie sheen would
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be even at the bottom of your list. apparently sheen gave a $10,000 donation to the team a while ago, and now they let him come and take batting practice when he wants. he was there, so he was asked to give the boys a pep talk. on the dan patrick radio show, sheen talked about the wisdom he imparted to the team. listen and learn, folks, listen and learn. >> i said, stay away from the crack, which i think is pretty good advice, unless you can manage it socially. if you can manage it socially, go for it. not a lot of people can, you know? >> so wise. stay away from the crack unless you can manage it socially. now, forgive me for my ignorance on the subject of the crack, but how does one use crack socially? do people throw crack-tail party where is they discuss the latest edition of "the new yorker"? i don't think so. if i want a celebrity giving me drug advice, i'm not going to go to charlie sheen i'm going to go to the one and only whitney houston.
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>> crack is whack. >> whitney is a never ending spring of wisdom. so let's sum up the subject of crack according to celebrities. only use it if you don't have a lot of money and only do it socially. these two should team up and go on a speaking tour of elementary schools. in sheen's defense, he did say that he thought he could manage crack but it blew up in his face like an exploding crack pipe. thanld he is's 100% clean now. in the next breath, he says he doesn't believe in aa and bored by sobriety. he says he wants to get back to "two and a half men" since he's quote, peeing clean lately. check it. >> check it, it's like i heal really quickly but i also unravel really quickly. so get me right now, guys. get me right now. >> is there a morality clause in your contract? >> bla, bla, nitpick, nitpick. i haven't read it. i don't think it covers let us interfere with your personal life. >> far be it for me to interfere
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with anybody's personal life, but i hope he gets his life straightened out. he's remarkably talented. it seems like his work ethic has remained weirdly in tact. so here's to charlie sheen staying on the straight and narrow and hope he stays off the "ridicu-list." we'll be right back. from a. while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. [ male announcer ] just like you, business pro. just like you. go national. go like a pro. for just $29.99 at red lobster. with fresh salads and biscuits. your choice of entrees. and an appetizer or a dessert to share. ends soon, at red lobster.
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